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york. >> i'm john berman. i'm in farmville, virginia. it is tuesday, october 4th. it is 5:00 a.m. in the east. i'm at longwood university. this is the site where in just a few hours we will have the vice presidential debate. you can see the fan lining up early right now. hours before the main event at 9:00 tonight. tim kaine and mike pence get one shot. one opportunity to sell themselves and most importantly to advocate for the top of their tickets. hillary clinton has jumped out to a new lead over donald trump. some call this a debate bounce. in the latest cnn poll, clinton leads by five points among likely voters. one factor is an increase in the clinton support among independents. a month ago, independents broke for trump. after the debate, they moved 25 points toward hillary clinton. secretary clinton is taking steps to closing the enthusiasm
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gap. 50% of supporters are extremely or very enthusiastic of voting for her. that's up four points from early september. enthusiasm among trump supporters ticked down two points over that same period. another interesting finding in the wake of the record that donald trump had gone nearly two decades without paying federal tax. 50% of register voters believe paying tax is a civic duty. 12% say it is an unnecessary burden. the poll ended before "the times" published the record that trump took a $916 million loss on the 1995 tax. that may have avoided him from paying federal tax for 18 years. trump is calling that an act of genius. cnn's jason carroll is with the campaign in colorado and has the
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latest. >> reporter: donald trump wrapped up his debate here in loveland, colorado trying to turn the tables over the controversy involving his taxes. saying he used the tax laws as any smart person would do in his mind to turn his company around during what he called a real estate depression during the '90s. he said he did what he could to quote minimize the burden on himself and on his family. christine and john, he also readily admitted to the crowd here that he benefitted from knowing the tax system. >> the unfairness of the tax laws is unbelievable. it's something that i have been talking about for a long time. you heard me talking about it despite being a very big beneficiary. i must admit. i am. i am a big beneficiary.
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but you are more important. >> reporter: trump criticizing hillary clinton saying she is the candidate that focuses on quote small, petty things. he also called her the candidate of distraction which is unusual because donald trump himself has been accused by some in his party of being easily distracted. they want him to focus on the issues going forward heading into the debate now just a few days away. christine. >> jason, thank you. on the democratic side, hillary clinton will campaign in pennsylvania with her daughter chelsea. she is expected to escalate attacks on trump's effort to pay little or no taxes as she did on monday in ohio. let's go to cnn's jeff zeleny for the latest on that. >> reporter: john and christine, hillary clinton campaigning in pennsylvania today after spending monday in battleground ohio. the first time she visited the state in nearly a month. arriving as donald trump was
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leading five points in a quinnipiac poll in ohio. hillary clinton is hoping to close that gap by seizing on donald trump's tax returns. she is asking for months what is trump hiding? on monday, she told voters. >> in other words, trump was taking from america with both hands and leaving the rest of us with the bill. you know in the debate he said it was smart to avoid paying taxes. yesterday, his campaign was bragging it makes him a genius. here's my question. what kind of genius loses $1 billion in a single year. >> reporter: the clinton campaign seizing on that revelation of donald trump's returns. going after his business acumen in one sense and the fact he has not been contributing like most americans do to the military and other federal programs that taxes go to. now the clinton campaign
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realizes there are limit to the argument. donald trump supporters are loyal and locked in. it is the voters in the middle. moderate voters. college educated women voters they are most interested in. that's one of the reasons hillary clinton back in pennsylvania today as she watches that vice presidential debate tonight in virginia. john and christine. >> jeff zeleny, thanks. joining us now to discuss the presidential campaign and vice presidential debate which takes place in a few hours. analyst and best selling author is ellis henican. >> good morning. >> we saw something unusual. both candidates on the trail talking about the same thing. donald trump's taxes. they had slightly different views of why it's important and what it means. listen to what they said. >> as a businessman and real estate developer, i have legally used the tax laws to my benefit. and to the benefit of my company, my investors and my
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employees. i mean, honestly, i have brilliantly used those laws. >> back in the 1990s, trump apparently lost $1 billion in a single year on bad investments and failing casinos. now how anybody can lose $1, let alone $1 billion in the casino industry is kind of beyond me. right? what kind of genius loses $1 billion in a single year. >> so has trump sort of stopped the bleeding on this, ellis, or will we hear this for the next 38 days? >> i don't think hillary will get that many days out of it. maybe another day and a half. the trump argument would be stronger if he released his tax returns. maybe it is brilliant. maybe he just has a good
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accountant. it is better to say here is how i did it. that is not on the table yet. >> listen to what donald trump said yesterday. he was at a panel of retired american warriors pac in virginia. he was talking about the issue facing vets. post traumatic stress disorder and what vets face when they come home is a major issue. this is what donald trump said about it. >> when you talk about the mental health problems and when people come back from war and combat. they see things maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over and you are strong and can handle it, but a lot of people can't handle it. they see horror stories and events you could not see in a movie. nobody would believe it. >> maybe you could handle it. a lot of people can't handle it. it was taken out of context. my son was not weak. joe biden hitting back on this
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saying trump doesn't get it. he doesn't try to educate himself with what is happening with american vets. how big is this? >> it is obviously a sensitive area. i didn't hear donald trump saying he doesn't care about vets or he wants them to suffer. it was inartfully said. it won't go too long to me. >> i don't think anyone questions that donald trump and hillary clinton or any elected official in america right now is committed to the well being of our veterans. it shows a lack of sensitivity in the language surrounding an issue which is of great interest and concern to a lot of people. a lot of people devote their lives to ptsd. one thing they are devoted to it can happen to anyone. it is not about being strong or weak. it is about having traumatic stress. it is an incredibly difficult for anyone to deal with. that's what people are struggling with.
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that was the context there. let's turn to where i am now in farmville, virginia. the vice presidential debate. how big of a moment is this? look, we know it is the top of the ticket people care about. what can tonight do, ellis? >> it took a while to ramp up the enthusiasm, but i'm finally there. these are the most conventional vp candidates in the least conventional year. pence has to show there is someone in there with serious policy chops who might actually influence what the trump administration could do. and kaine has to bring a human connection and some kind of normal comfort to the clinton campaign. both need it desperately. we have to watch tonight. >> we will watch no question. you look at the unfavorability. they are more popular than their
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bosses. thanks, ellis. john berman. don't go away. who will win the night? republican governor mike pence or democratic tim kaine? joe biden is back on the campaign trail for hillary clinton. that is coming up on "new day." and the other big story. the people of haiti and cuba are bracing for a category 4 hurricane. we have a live update coming up. guess what guys, i switched to sprint.
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145-mile-an-hour winds. forecasters fear a catastrophic blow to the island nation. it is expected to hit cuba as well. for the latest, let's go to patrick oppmann in cuba. patrick, haiti is already feeling the effects and you are expected to get the hurricane this afternoon? >> reporter: absolutely. wind and a lot of waves and storm surge. it caused two deaths. two fishermen were caught up in the storm and certainly could cause more on the island that suffered from earthquakes and hurricanes in the past. in cuba, they are waking up here this morning. the rooster is starting to crow. people are waiting for the low moving and powerful storm. the storm is moving 8 miles per hour. it will dump a lot of rain.
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it is a mountainous region. this is where fidel castro had his regime. people could have roads washed out. officials are going door-to-door telling people to evacuate. of course, this is a communi communist-run island. the government is blasting messages telling people they need to seek shelter because of the potential deadly storm. >> very tense morning. thank you for that, patrick. big threat to haiti right now. what kind of threat to matthew pose for the eastern u.s.? we asked meteorologist pedram javaheri. >> john and christine, we are watching hurricane matthew across the peninsula. this storm impacting one of the poorest nations in the western hemisphere, but one of the poorest in the world. the concern is when you think of
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the island, the storm surge will be devastating. 7 to 11 feet high. you talk about the heavily deforested landscape in the region. a lot of the energy is coming in in people taking trees out and burning it and using charcoal for energy and that could lead to humanitarian crisis with the amount of water that comes down. all of that will be runoff and could lead to flash flooding. we have seen this with tropical features making landfall on haiti and leading to large scale fatalities. the storm system moves off the eastern coast of florida. the model consensus is different. the storm system offshore and the american system brings in remnant rainfall to the northeast and pushes it to southern canada next week. a lot to be seen with what happens. certainly interesting weather ahead of us across the eastern
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seaboard. >> a tense week. thank you, pedram. the majority of voters think donald trump should release his tax returns. 95% of democrats and 75% of independents think trump should reveal tax data. 49% of republicans agree. the survey asked why not? 57% say he is hiding something. 37% believe trump when he says he is audited. that doesn't legally prevent him from releasing them. as for the tax policy, 48% pick clinton when it comes to who better handles taxes. donald trump is within the margin of error. indiana governor mike pence is getting ready to come to farmville, virginia for the vice presidential debate at longwood university. on the way, he suffered a defeat
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good morning. 23 minutes past the hour right now. we are live at longwood university in farmville, virginia. the vice presidential candidates are making their way here. tim kaine and mike pence face-off tonight at 9:00 here on cnn. governor pence as leader of indiana, goes into the debate suffering a loss in a federal appears court. three-judge panel overruled the
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governor's attempt to block syrian families from resettling in indiana. he used tough language. the justices say there is no reason to believe that syrian refugees committed acts of terror in the united states. they called this suggestion nightmare speculation. governor pence argues his policy is not discriminatory. he aims to protect the citizens of indiana. north korea may plan an october surprise. the center for strategic studies say provocative action by pyongyang can be expected around the elections. it conducted a nuclear and missile test shortly after obama was elected. erratic behavior by north korea is one the biggest challenges the president will face. they are urging to team up with
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the post debate bounce. hillary clinton pulls out in front of donald trump in a cnn poll. debate night for the number twos. tim kaine and mike pence. they get one shot to convince america that they can handle the job and what's more important, their bosses can do the job. hurricane matthew ready to strike. the eye of the storm right now nearing haiti. a live report straight ahead. we welcome back to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm john berman live in
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farmville, virginia live at longwood university where just a few hours from now they will hold the one and only vice presidential debate. the democrat senator tim kaine of virginia. the republican mike pence of indiana will meet on stage here and try to sell themselves, but this is about advocating for the top of the tickets. hillary clinton has bounced to a new lead. call it a debate bounce. in the latest cnn/orc poll, hillary clinton leads five points among voters. she trailed in our poll after labor day. increasing support for independents. secretary clinton has taken a new step toward closing the enthusiasm gap. 50% of supporters are extremely
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enthusiastic about vote are for her. enthusiasm among donald trump supporters ticked down two points over the same period. another interesting finding in the poll comes in the wake of the report that donald trump may have gone nearly two decades without paying federal income tax. our poll found that 86% of registered voters believe paying taxes a civic duty. just 12% said paying taxes are an unnecessary burden best avoided. the polling period ended before "the times" report published the $916 million loss on the 1996 taxes. that could determine him to avoid paying any federal income tax for the next 18 years. donald trump is calling that an act of genius. cnn's jason carroll has the latest from colorado.
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>> reporter: donald trump wrapped his rally in loveland, colorado trying to turn the tables over the controversy over the taxes. he said he used the tax laws as any smart person would do to turn his company around during what he called a real estate depression during the '90s. he said he did what he could to what he said quote minimize the burden on himself and on his family and christine and john, he readily admitted to the crowd here that he benefitted from knowing the tax system. >> the unfairness of the tax laws is unbelievable. it's something that i have been talking about for a long time. you heard me talking about it. despite being a very big beneficiary. i must admit. i am. i am. i'm a big beneficiary. but you're more important than my being a beneficiary so we will straighten it out and make
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it fair for everybody. >> reporter: donald trump also criticizing hillary clinton saying she is the candidate that focuses on quote small, petty things. he called her the candidate of distraction which is unusual because donald trump himself has been accused by some in his own party of being easily distracted. they want him to focus on the issues going forward heading into the debate now just a few days away. christine. jason, thank you. hillary clinton will campaign today in eastern pennsylvania with her daughter chelsea. she is expected to escalate attacks on trump's effort to pay little or no taxes as she did in ohio on monday. let's go to cnn's jeff zeleny for the latest on that. >> reporter: john and christine, hillary clinton campaigning in pennsylvania today after spending monday in battleground ohio. the first time she visited the state in a month.
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arriving as donald trump was leading five points in the quinnipiac poll in ohio. she is seizing on trump's tax returns. she has been asking for months what is trump hiding. she told voters. >> in other words, trump was taking from america with both hands and leaving the rest of us with the bill. then you know in the debate he said it was smart to avoid paying taxes. yesterday his campaign was bragging it makes him a genius. here's my question. what kind of genius loses $1 billion in a single year. >> reporter: the clinton campaign seizing on that revelation of trump's tax returns and going after his business acumen and seizing on the other like the military and other federal programs your taxes go to. trump supporters are loyal and
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locked in. it is the voters in the middle. moderate voters. college educated women voters they are most interested in. that is a reason hillary clinton is back in pennsylvania today as she watches that vice presidential debate tonight in virginia. jeff zeleny, who is racking up the frequent flyer miles this year. joining us to discuss the political debate is ellis henican. let's start with whether you think trump was able to blunt the tax controversy and he may not have been able -- he may have been able to go 18 years without paying federal income tax. listen to what he told the crowd in colorado yesterday. listen to hillary clinton. >> as a businessman and real estate developer, i have legally used the tax laws to my benefit. and to the benefit of my company, my investors and my employees. i mean, honestly, i have
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brilliantly used those laws. >> back in the 1990s, donald trump apparently lost $1 billion in a single year on bad investments and failing casinos. now how anybody can lose $1 let alone $1 billion in the casino industry is kind of beyond me. right? what kind of genius loses $1 billion in a single year? >> this tax thing has more legs here. he is really trying hard to turn this around. >> you are right. you notice the clinton pivot. not on the failure to pay taxes, but what it means to lose nearly $1 billion in the casino business. >> she said it was worst than the casino. >> by the mid '90s, things were
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doing well. i made money on an apartment, christine. >> let's fwauk wheretalk about change. longwood university in farmville, virginia. the site of the vice presidential debate where the crowds are growing. one fan berkeley peterson has been out here all morning. christine, who will do a better job in the vp debate? tie. when we ask people about the favorability, tied. 31%. 31%. so, you know, going into this is like the definition of vanilla, but you think, ellis, it is a vanilla that could make or break the dessert of the campaign. >> i love the dessert analogies.
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thank you for that. i would go with cardboard. flat characters. conventional standard issues. tonight we have a chance to let them turn into human beings for most americans. there is really some opportunity for a bit of movement. >> what about mike pence? the story in "usa today" how he has to connect with women. when you look at the last week, the controversy from donald trump to beauty queens and no evidence of hillary clinton's fidelity. do you think he will try to appeal to women? >> yes. don't forget, before the election what we knew mike pence was for staunchly conservative views in the state of indiana. some of which in the last year have been slapped back in dramatic ways. his role in this case has been to bring a little bit of policy seriousness to a campaign that
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could use more of it. >> i think one of the interesting things you will see is the message the campaigns want to send on controversial message and can't. you will see mike pence give answers that kellyanne conway wants to give. and tim kaine, it is interesting how he answered questions on hillary clinton's private e-mail server. he might give the answer the clinton campaign wished they could have give. ellis henican, thank you for being with us. the question is who will emerge victorious and what difference will it make? mike pence and tim kaine face-off here tonight. 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. cnn will be here at the debate location all day long. meantime, the man who is the current vice president sat down with "new day's chris cuomo to
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talk about what the race means to him." how protecting his legacy has him back on the campaign trail working hard for hillary clinton. joe biden thought about running for president himself. that interview in the 6:00 hour. time for an early start on your money. dow futures are higher. stocks in europe are rising. shares in asia finishing with gains overnight. oil is down but above $48 a barrel. gains in european stocks. one currency is plummeting. 1985. the year the british pound at the lowest level of the u.s. dollar since 1985. investors are worrying about the country's plans going forward. the prime minister said talks will begin by late march to exit europe. the sector is strengthening the u.s. dollar. since the brexit in late june,
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this morning, right this moment, hurricane matthew is bearing down on haiti with heavy rain and 145-mile-an-hour winds. the u.s. hurricane center says matthew's eye is near the nation's southwest peninsula moving north slowly about 9 miles per hour. forecasters are fearing a catastrophic blow to haiti. the storm expected to hit cuba
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where hurricane warnings are posted. let's go to cuba and patrick oppmann. patrick, the eye of the center of the storm is close to haiti right now. >> reporter: that's absolutely right and on eastern cuba where i am now, the storm is continuing on the path that forecasters have it would cross guantanamo bay, cuba. that is the town next to the naval base. they evacuated there. 700 service members left the island. evacuations are continuing to happen across cuba. the cuban government expect up to 180,000 people to have to leave their homes and seek shelter and they are running out of time to do that. by this evening, christine, we expect to feel the effects. >> thank you, patrick. a big threat to haiti with the eye of the storm approaching.
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what kind of threat to matthew pose for the eastern seaboard of the united states and when? let's get the forecast from meteorologist pedram javaheri. >> john and christine, we are watching category 4 matthew south of haiti across the peninsula. this storm impacting the poorest nation in the western hemisphere, but one of the poorest in the world. the storm surge is devastating at 7 to 11 feet high. you talk about the deforested landscape and a lot of energy is coming in from people taking trees out and burning it and using the charcoal for energy. that could lead to a humanitarian crisis with the amount of water coming down across the terrain. all of that runoff could lead to flash flooding. we have seen it over and over with tropical features making
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landfall in haiti. the storm moves off the eastern coast of florida. the model consensus is different from the european and american model. the european model keeps the storm system offshore and the american one brings in remnant rainfall and pushing it to southern canada next week. a lot to be seen with what happens. certainly interesting weather ahead of us. guys. >> pedram, thank you. 48 minutes past the hour. vikings frustrated the giants all night long on monday night football. hines ward has more in the bleacher report. >> good morning. as a player, there's nothing like playing on monday night football. vikings randy moss was on hand to blow the big viking horn. a chance to showcase the new stadium and viking chamnt.
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minnesota is down to the third quarterback without their future hall of fame running back. the vikings defense dominated through the game. they got after odell beckham. frustrated all night. so bad his teammates had to calm him down. this was all vikings. they improve to 4-0. over the weekend, lebron james wrote an opinion piece endorsing hillary clinton for president. he spoke to reporters about why he is backing clinton. >> main thing is going back into the communities and giving our world a better future. our kids are our future and i believe barack started it. i believe hillary will continue it. i'm all about community. it starts from the ground up. if we can continue to give back into the communities and do the things we need to get the kids understand they have a future
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and they have a helping hand, it makes the world a better place. playoff time. win or go home. american league wild card game. canada will root for blue jay as they host the baltimore orioles. you can watch it on tbs. the winner of that game will takes the texas rangers. tomorrow, the giants and the mets. winner of that game goes on to play chicago cubs in the following round. john, back to you. hines ward, thank you very much. i want to look at what is coming up on "new day." alisyn camerota joins us. >> good morning, john. sometimes i come into the studio late for the tease and it forces them to scramble to get me ready for the tease. good morning. you have a very big show for you. we have new polls to show you the standing of donald trump and hillary clinton. we will preview the vp debate
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tonight. speaking of vps. we have, chris just finished a great interview with vice president joe biden. we will be showing you that. revealing it on "new day." chris describes it in one word, christine. that is spicy. you can't argue with a spicy interview. we will show you that. >> spicy biden. >> delicious. >> sounds good. i'll have a hot dog with that. thank you very much. one stable in the u.s. economy could be running out of gas. we will tell you what that could be when we get an early start on your money next.
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just a few minutes before the hour right now. we are live at longwood university in farmville, virginia. tonight, 9:00 p.m. eastern.
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tim kaine and mike pence face-off for the debate. governor pence goes into the debate suffering a loss in a federal appeals court. three-judge panel overruled the governor's attempt to block syrian families from resettling in indiana. the judges say there is no evidence syrian terrorists are posing as refugees in the united states or syrian refugees committed acts of terror in the united states. the judges called it nightmare speculation. governor pence says it is not discriminatory and he aims to protect the citizens of indiana. dow futures are higher after a small drop to start the fourth quarter yesterday. stocks in europe are rising sharply. shares in asia fini finishing w gains. check out the british pound. sinking to the lowest level of the dollar since 1985.
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prime minister teresa may says brexit talks will begin in may. it could hurt trade and the region's big banks. it is proceeding. and six years of steady growth, auto sales are down. sales of new trucks and cars slipping in september. ford suffering the biggest loss of the three automakers. sales down 8%. fiat chrysler with sales down almost 1%. gm down 0.6%. labor day is typically one of the biggest weekends of the year. incentives hit a record high in september. $4,000 per vehicle in incentives. the previous record set back in december of 2008. this has been a steady performer for the u.s. economy over the past seven years. looks like a falter in september. call it a post-debate
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bounce. a clear leader in the race for president right now. "new day" picks up the story right now. >> i made my money following the law. hillary clinton made her money as a corrupt public official. >> trump was taking from america with both hands and leaving the rest of us with the bill. >> i legally used the tax laws to my benefit. i have brilliantly used those laws. >> this is trump to a "t." it's trump first and everyone else last. >> when people come back from war, they see things a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over. you are strong and can handle it. >> this is an ignorant man. how can you be so out of touch and ask to lead the country? >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." it is tuesday, october 4th. 6:00 in the east.
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hillary clinton retakes the lead in the cnn national poll after the first debate. clinton has a five-point lead over trump. 47% to trump's 42%. that is a four-way race. you saw the veep there. we have interview with joe biden ahead of the vp debate. he talks about the taxes and 2016 race and what he wants you to think his legacy is all about. we are hours away from the vp debate. the only chance they will have to get it on one-on-one. only 35 days until election day. just five days until the next presidential debate. we have it all covered for you. let's start with political director david chalian. a look inside the numbers. what does the poll mean to you? >> reporter: good morning, chris. we said labor day where donald trump had a slight lead that hillary clinton needed to do better with independents and get enthusiasm up among voters. she has done both. look at independents and the
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gender split. hillary clinton is beating trump by 20 points. in 2012, obama won this by one point. look at white with a college degree, white voters with a college degree, hillary clinton's got a 13-point advantage, 50% to 37%. obviously without a college degree, this is the core of support for donald trump. it's a 21-point lead here, but in our last poll, chris, that was a 44-point lead for donald trump. african-americans, this is also key to hillary clinton's coalition. wow, 95% for clinton, 5% for donald trump. all of that outreach he's been doing does not seem to be upping his number among african-americans in our poll. and finally, that enthusiasm gap that we were talking about, well, hillary clinton has narrowed the gap. remember back in september, donald trump had a 12-point lead among supporters that were extremely or very enthusiastic for

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